Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

In article , "Phil P."
wrote:

>
> As long as you're breeding cats while cats are dying in shelters because
> there aren't enough homes- you can bet your "irresponsible,
> morally bankrupt" ass you're doing something wrong.


Not if the OP is contributing to that shelter population with
responsible breeding practices. Sorry - I don't think there is the
slightest thing wrong with wanting a responsibly bred animal. Go after
the folks who aren't. They're the ones filling shelters.
>
> ...and every top quality home you find for your intentionally bred cats, is
> one home less for a cat languishing in a shelter where she'll be eventually
> killed.
>
A fallacy,
<snip a bunch of other extremist views>

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article , "Phil P."
> wrote:
>
>>
>> As long as you're breeding cats while cats are dying in shelters because
>> there aren't enough homes- you can bet your "irresponsible,
>> morally bankrupt" ass you're doing something wrong.
>
>
> Not if the OP is contributing to that shelter population with
> responsible breeding practices.

ROTFLMAO! Your Freudian slip is showing there, honey. Yes, the OP is very
progbably contributing to that shelter population with his breeding
practices - all breeders do which is one of the reasons millions of healthy
cats are put to death every year in the US alone.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Sorry - I don't think there is the
> slightest thing wrong with wanting a responsibly bred animal. Go after
> the folks who aren't. They're the ones filling shelters.
>>
>> ...and every top quality home you find for your intentionally bred cats,
>> is
>> one home less for a cat languishing in a shelter where she'll be
>> eventually
>> killed.
>>
> A fallacy,
> <snip a bunch of other extremist views>
>
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In article ,
Janet Boss wrote:

>
> Not if the OP is contributing

UGH - that should have read ISN'T.

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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

>
> For people who purchase a pure-bred cat? Yes! Why else get a cat that very
> probably will have severe health problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a
> healthy moggie to die in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows
> are just a chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
> then display their prizes to other snobs.
>
> And before you claim that pure-breds have certain personality traits - I
> call BS.

Very probably? What are your statistics on likelihood of severe health
problems in purebred cats vs mixed breed cats? I've only had mixed
breed cats. They've all had health problems. 2 of them had severe
health problems. I'm pretty sure I've spent many times more on their
health than I would have paid for purebred cat.

Who said anything about cat shows? There may be many reasons to own a
purebred cat. How about allergy issues (for the human)? I know several
people who have Siberians due to allergy issues. They love being able
to have a cat and still breathe (a little issue maybe, but.....).

Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it does
for dogs.

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "CatNipped" wrote:
>
>>
>> For people who purchase a pure-bred cat? Yes! Why else get a cat that
>> very
>> probably will have severe health problems, pay a fortune for it, and
>> allow a
>> healthy moggie to die in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat
>> shows
>> are just a chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs
>> and
>> then display their prizes to other snobs.
>>
>> And before you claim that pure-breds have certain personality traits - I
>> call BS.
>
> Very probably? What are your statistics on likelihood of severe health
> problems in purebred cats vs mixed breed cats?

Medical, Genetic, & Behavioral Aspects of Purebred Cats; Ross D.Clark, DVM,
Forum Publications, Fairway Kansas, 1992

> I've only had mixed
> breed cats. They've all had health problems. 2 of them had severe
> health problems. I'm pretty sure I've spent many times more on their
> health than I would have paid for purebred cat.

Experiential data from a limited sample is not a very scientific proof. Do
moggies sometimes have health problems? Yes. Do pure-breds have *MORE*
health problems than moggies? *YES*

>
> Who said anything about cat shows? There may be many reasons to own a
> purebred cat. How about allergy issues (for the human)? I know several
> people who have Siberians due to allergy issues. They love being able
> to have a cat and still breathe (a little issue maybe, but.....).

I don't buy it. My allergist told me I have the most severe allergies to
cats that he's ever seen. I love cats (all cats, not just somebody's idea
of a "pretty" cat), so I take allergy pills every day.

>
> Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
> cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
> instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it does
> for dogs.

I really *hope* they don't. Someone who wants a pure-bred cat is not, in my
opinion, fit to own the epitome of predatory perfect that is a moggie. If
they are so worried that their cat doesn't match their furniture that they
refuse to accept a moggie in their life, all moggies are better off because
of it!

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

>
> Do moggies sometimes have health problems - DUH! Do moggies have the number
> and severity of health problems as pure-breds? NO!

Where is the data?

> Is there any other
> reason to breed these defects into companion animals except vanity? *NO*
> *NO* *NO*.

What are the odds of any given cat having those health problems?
Purebred vs mixed. Just because a health problem may be more likely in
some breeds doesn't make it a given, nor does it exclude mixed breeds.

> But pure-bred cats have one purpose and one purpose
> only - an expensive possession to show off to other snobs.

I disagree. *If* I were ever to get another cat (not planning on that
now, but my one is not quite 7, so hopefully he'll be around for many
years), it would probably be a Siberian. With my allergies, it
wouldn't be wise to continue to get mixed breed cats.

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "CatNipped" wrote:
>
>>
>> Do moggies sometimes have health problems - DUH! Do moggies have the
>> number
>> and severity of health problems as pure-breds? NO!
>
> Where is the data?

*SIGH* Medical, Genetic, & Behavioral Aspects of Purebred Cats; Ross
D.Clark, DVM, Forum Publications, Fairway Kansas, 1992 (for the third or
fourth time - quit snipping it) among many, MANY others - if you can't see
the common sense logic that inbreeding causes defects, and the more inbred a
breed, the more defects it has (which is the reason Siamese and Persians,
the "oldest" breeds of cats, have MANY more health problems than "younger"
breeds). I'm not going to entertain your obtuseness on this matter any
more, how many times to I have to type this before you will perceive the
obvious?

>
>> Is there any other
>> reason to breed these defects into companion animals except vanity? *NO*
>> *NO* *NO*.
>
> What are the odds of any given cat having those health problems?
> Purebred vs mixed. Just because a health problem may be more likely in
> some breeds doesn't make it a given, nor does it exclude mixed breeds.

"Google" is your friend, try using it!

>
>> But pure-bred cats have one purpose and one purpose
>> only - an expensive possession to show off to other snobs.
>
> I disagree. *If* I were ever to get another cat (not planning on that
> now, but my one is not quite 7, so hopefully he'll be around for many
> years), it would probably be a Siberian. With my allergies, it
> wouldn't be wise to continue to get mixed breed cats.

There's this new thing around called "allergy pills" - if you are selfish
enough to encourage, endorse and support the breeding of cats to the
detriment of cats as a whole rather than simply taking a daily dose of
antihistame, you are too selfish to own a cat.

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
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"Janet Boss" wrote:
>
> I disagree. *If* I were ever to get another cat (not planning on that
> now, but my one is not quite 7, so hopefully he'll be around for many
> years), it would probably be a Siberian. With my allergies, it
> wouldn't be wise to continue to get mixed breed cats.
>

That's great, asswipe. Just don't think you can support breeding in a
group of people who actually love cats without being told that you are
a cat abusing, shallow, superficial bitch.

Who should never, ever get another cat.

(I am allergic to cats, but that would never move me to support
breeders. I take this brand new weird and wonderful thing called
ALLERGY MEDICINE and enjoy nartural, mixed breed cats, not
sickly freaks. You ARE a breeder, hence the argument. How many
dogs have you run into the ground making a buck?
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

>
> I don't buy it. My allergist told me I have the most severe allergies to
> cats that he's ever seen. I love cats (all cats, not just somebody's idea
> of a "pretty" cat), so I take allergy pills every day.

You're a very small sample. How I wish that "allergy pills" did the
trick. I don't think you know enough about allergies and apparently you
wouldn't dream of being friendly to someone who chose a purebred cat, so
I guess any success stories with Siberians vs other cats wouldn't be
something you're ever likely to believe.

>
> >
> > Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
> > cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
> > instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it does
> > for dogs.
>
> I really *hope* they don't. Someone who wants a pure-bred cat is not, in my
> opinion, fit to own the epitome of predatory perfect that is a moggie.

Ah yes - I called that right in my answer, above. Wow.

> If
> they are so worried that their cat doesn't match their furniture that they
> refuse to accept a moggie in their life, all moggies are better off because
> of it!

Nothing to do with matching furniture. You are fulfilling a horrid AR
agenda here. I find that so disappointing. Real facts, real concerns
and real action are so much better than hysteria and banning.

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "CatNipped" wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't buy it. My allergist told me I have the most severe allergies to
>> cats that he's ever seen. I love cats (all cats, not just somebody's
>> idea
>> of a "pretty" cat), so I take allergy pills every day.
>
> You're a very small sample. How I wish that "allergy pills" did the
> trick. I don't think you know enough about allergies and apparently you
> wouldn't dream of being friendly to someone who chose a purebred cat, so
> I guess any success stories with Siberians vs other cats wouldn't be
> something you're ever likely to believe.

You're talking to someone who has to have an Epi-pen on her person 24/7 -
yes, I know about allergies. Even allergy pills aren't 100% effective on
me, so I have a runny nose, eyes and sneeze a lot - so what. I wouldn't
support the breeding of cats to the detriment of cats just to keep from
sneezing. So, no, I'm not likely to believe that. If you want to breed
deformities into cats just to stop your nose from running, but a stuffed
cat!

>
>>
>> >
>> > Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
>> > cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
>> > instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it
>> > does
>> > for dogs.
>>
>> I really *hope* they don't. Someone who wants a pure-bred cat is not, in
>> my
>> opinion, fit to own the epitome of predatory perfect that is a moggie.
>
> Ah yes - I called that right in my answer, above. Wow.

Good for you, you got at least ONE thing right - too bad everything else
you've said is BS.

>
>> If
>> they are so worried that their cat doesn't match their furniture that
>> they
>> refuse to accept a moggie in their life, all moggies are better off
>> because
>> of it!
>
> Nothing to do with matching furniture. You are fulfilling a horrid AR
> agenda here. I find that so disappointing. Real facts, real concerns
> and real action are so much better than hysteria and banning.

LOL! "Hysteria"? No. Ailurophilia? Yes. Banning selfish people who want
pretty possessions from owning a sensate being? I can only wish!

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
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In article ,
"cybercat" wrote:

> Just don't think you can support breeding in a
> group of people who actually love cats without being told that you are
> a cat abusing, shallow, superficial bitch.

Nope - never abused a cat, not shallow nor superficial - I THINK instead
of fall prey to ARistas. And, I love cats.
>
> Who should never, ever get another cat.

Perhaps not. But not because I don't care about them.
>
> (I am allergic to cats, but that would never move me to support
> breeders. I take this brand new weird and wonderful thing called
> ALLERGY MEDICINE

I don't think you have a clue what I do.

>and enjoy nartural, mixed breed cats, not
> sickly freaks. You ARE a breeder, hence the argument. How many
> dogs have you run into the ground making a buck?

I don't breed dogs or cats.

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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

>
> There's this new thing around called "allergy pills" - if you are selfish
> enough to encourage, endorse and support the breeding of cats to the
> detriment of cats as a whole rather than simply taking a daily dose of
> antihistame, you are too selfish to own a cat.

You snip very well. I do a whole lot more than take a daily dose of
antihistamine. RESPONSIBLE breeding (which entails a whole lot of
concerns) is not to the detriment of cats as a whole. The savior
complex sure wears blinders.

BTW - before you start on shelter and rescue work - I've been doing it
for many years now.

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "CatNipped" wrote:
>
>>
>> There's this new thing around called "allergy pills" - if you are selfish
>> enough to encourage, endorse and support the breeding of cats to the
>> detriment of cats as a whole rather than simply taking a daily dose of
>> antihistame, you are too selfish to own a cat.
>
> You snip very well. I do a whole lot more than take a daily dose of
> antihistamine. RESPONSIBLE breeding (which entails a whole lot of
> concerns) is not to the detriment of cats as a whole. The savior
> complex sure wears blinders.

Not as big as the blinders you're wearing sweetheart - oh, yeah, that's
right, you snipped again so you can't see the evidence before your eyes.

>
> BTW - before you start on shelter and rescue work - I've been doing it
> for many years now.

Please stop! Cats don't need friends like you, baby girl.

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
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