Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

"Robotech_Master" wrote in message

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:59 -0500, CatNipped
> wrote:
>
>> Yes! Why else get a cat that very probably will have severe health
>> problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a healthy moggie to die
>> in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows are just a
>> chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
>> then display their prizes to other snobs.
>
> What about people who adopt purebreds *from* shelters?
>
> I'm rescuing this handsome fellow:
>
> http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=11130804
>

He's beautiful, and I'm glad you're giving him a home. They are really a
handful,
though, and there are plenty of people who are not sure they should ever
have
been bred for domestic pets. I'm sure you've done your research. There is
ample evidence of what can happen when you take on a Bengal, in the
google archives for this group.
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"Robotech_Master" wrote in message

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:59 -0500, CatNipped
> wrote:
>
>> Yes! Why else get a cat that very probably will have severe health
>> problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a healthy moggie to die
>> in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows are just a
>> chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
>> then display their prizes to other snobs.
>
> What about people who adopt purebreds *from* shelters?

Obviously, that's a different story altogether. Not only are you not
supporting breeders you are saving a cat from euthansia and helping reduce
the overpopulation of the shelter so they'll have room for another waif.

>
> I'm rescuing this handsome fellow:
>
> http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=11130804

Oh wow, he's gorgeous!

Bengals are a fairly "new" breed (they're not even listed yet on the "Cat
Fanciers Association's" web page) so they have the fewest list of genetic
defects (but give breeders time and that will change - SIGH) - and the one
it is prone to, entropion, is not usually life threatening:

Entropion is an inward rolling of the eyelid edges. It is an uncommon
problem in the cat, but when it does occur it usually affects the lower
eyelids.

Unlike the dog, inherited entropion of a young animal is uncommon in the
cat. Occasionally inherited entropion of the lower lid is present in
purebred cats that have short, round faces, such as the Persian and Burmese.

Entropion in the cat is more likely to develop later in life secondary to
other changes around the eye. One of the more common causes is spasm of the
eyelid that occurs from the pain associated with corneal ulceration. In
adults cats that acquire entropion, infections and inflammation with feline
herpesvirus have been incriminated as a precipitating causes of this
problem.

Secondary entropion may also occur when the eye itself moves backwards into
the orbit (enophthalmos), or when the eye becomes shrunken following a
severe injury or infection.

>
> who was left with the center after a breeder took ill and had to try
> to place her cats in good homes. He's an F3 Bengal, so I couldn't
> show him even if I wanted to. And the adoption center lady doesn't
> even have his papers (though I'll admit I'm hoping she'll be able to
> get them). (I'm heartened that the only health problem you could come
> up with for them in your list was an eyelid condition. I'll be sure
> to watch out for warning signs of that.) The adoption donation is a
> little higher than the shelter moggie I'm simultaneously adopting to
> keep him company, but it's going to help support other rescued cats
> and dogs, and nowhere near what an equivalent animal might cost from a
> breeder.

Always a good thing - bless you! There are so many breeders who routinely
euthanize kittens with "undesirable" characteristics. Breed rescues tries
to save kittens from that fate.

>
> I'll admit to taking a certain amount of pride in his flashy
> appearance, and I'll be happy to show him off to anyone who comes
> over--not because he's "a purebred Bengal" but because he's such a
> gorgeous creature. However the main reason I'm getting him is that I
> just plain think Bengals are neat creatures. I wouldn't have a cat
> with streamlined ears or a face that looks like it ran headlong into a
> wall if *you* paid *me.* (Well, unless there were extenuating
> circumstances like it being in serious need of a good home, and I had
> space to offer and could afford the medical bills.)

I'm glad you're getting a companion for him (just make sure they're
introduced slowly - Bengals tend to be "bullies").

Bengals are *really* feisty, very intelligent, and more than willing to get
into all kinds of trouble*. Many, many Bengals are turned in to shelters
because of behavior problems (add that to the fact that, while they like to
interact with people, they're not a "lap cat" and that can be hard to
tolerate for a "casual" cat owner). They need lots of attention and lots
and lots of exercise. You also have to make sure your home is "bengal
proofed" - they've been known to learn how to open doors, cabinets,
refrigerators, and other seemingly "cat proofed" places - they turn lights
off and on, turn water taps on (they love water - they've been known to join
their owners in the shower), and a myriad of other mischevious behaviors.

* Caveat... cats' personalities are formed by many factors, including their
genetic heritage, their socialisation and living conditions when growing up,
and good old random individuality! As a result there is always much more
variation between individual cats than there is commonality within a given
breed.

>
> Since there's no way I could seriously consider buying a Bengal at
> breeder prices, I feel really lucky to be able to get him, and I'll be
> loving both him and the moggie as members of my family, keeping me
> company in my lonely apartment after my previous
> rescued-from-the-street moggie died after five years, thank you very
> much.

Good luck to all of you! Please keep us posted on your adventures with your
new family! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

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"cybercat" wrote:

> They are really a
> handful,
> though, and there are plenty of people who are not sure they should ever
> have
> been bred for domestic pets. I'm sure you've done your research. There is
> ample evidence of what can happen when you take on a Bengal, in the
> google archives for this group.

On one hand, purebred cats are no different than mixed breed cats,
personality wise, but now all Bengals are difficult? Make up your mind!

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:22:19 -0500, CatNipped
wrote:

> They need lots of attention and lots and lots of exercise.

I look at this as a bonus. Getting a harness and lead and walking my
cat will be a good way to force *me* to get sufficient exercise
myself. :) And I'll be giving him lots of attention every moment I'm
at home. (This is also in part why I'm adopting a friendly, sociable
moggie along with him, to be around when I can't be--though the larger
part being that she's such a sweetie I can't leave her alone. I may
go down to the vet clinic where I'm adopting her after work today just
to spend a little time with her, even though it'll be Friday before my
apartment is ready to welcome her in.)

And I'm really looking forward to his feistiness. (Though the shelter
operator assures me that he's a really sweet-natured and friendly
beast.) It'll be fun having a cat who will interact with me rather
than just "tolerate" me.

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"Robotech_Master" wrote in message

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:22:19 -0500, CatNipped
> wrote:
>
>> They need lots of attention and lots and lots of exercise.
>
> I look at this as a bonus. Getting a harness and lead and walking my
> cat will be a good way to force *me* to get sufficient exercise
> myself. :)

Good idea! It's said that Bengals are more "dog-like" than most cats. I'm
sure he'll benefit from the variety of sights, sounds, and smells that
walking will provide him, just like dogs do. Even though he may get enough
exercise at home, he'll still appreciate the mental stimulation walking will
provide.

> And I'll be giving him lots of attention every moment I'm
> at home. (This is also in part why I'm adopting a friendly, sociable
> moggie along with him, to be around when I can't be--though the larger
> part being that she's such a sweetie I can't leave her alone. I may
> go down to the vet clinic where I'm adopting her after work today just
> to spend a little time with her, even though it'll be Friday before my
> apartment is ready to welcome her in.)
>
> And I'm really looking forward to his feistiness. (Though the shelter
> operator assures me that he's a really sweet-natured and friendly
> beast.) It'll be fun having a cat who will interact with me rather
> than just "tolerate" me.

Again, good luck with your new family. And, oh, by the way, PLEASE POST
LOTS OF PICTURES!!!! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

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Robotech_Master wrote:

> It'll be fun having a cat who will interact with me rather
> than just "tolerate" me.

I've always had very interactive cats. I've always figured that maybe
they follow what the dogs do! They both sound lovely. I hope they
enjoy each others' company.

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"Robotech_Master" wrote in message

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:22:19 -0500, CatNipped
> wrote:
>
>> They need lots of attention and lots and lots of exercise.
>
> I look at this as a bonus. Getting a harness and lead and walking my
> cat will be a good way to force *me* to get sufficient exercise
> myself. :) And I'll be giving him lots of attention every moment I'm
> at home. (This is also in part why I'm adopting a friendly, sociable
> moggie along with him, to be around when I can't be--though the larger
> part being that she's such a sweetie I can't leave her alone. I may
> go down to the vet clinic where I'm adopting her after work today just
> to spend a little time with her, even though it'll be Friday before my
> apartment is ready to welcome her in.)
>
> And I'm really looking forward to his feistiness. (Though the shelter
> operator assures me that he's a really sweet-natured and friendly
> beast.) It'll be fun having a cat who will interact with me rather
> than just "tolerate" me.
>
You sound like a great match for this boy. :) Bless you. And if you
put up a photo page, please post the links.
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Janet Boss wrote:

>In article ,
> -mhd wrote:
>
>>
>> It's a given that once they have their breeder pet they *won't* go to a
>> shelter and save a
>> life.
>
>What data is that?
>
>First, you're assuming that someone who got a purebred cat intends to
>breed it. There is not data to support that assumption.

No I'm not assuming anything. Read that as *from* a breeder not *for* breeding.
>
>Second, why wouldn't someone have a purebred animal and a
>shelter/rescue/mixed breed animal? Why is that a "given"?

Yeah right, what was I thinking.

>FTR - I currently have 1 cat (shelter mixed breed), 3 dogs - 1 shelter
>mixed breed, 1 shelter/breed rescue poorly bred (pet shop) purebred, 1
>purebred puppy (OMG - she's intact - run for the hills!). Apparently
>your "given" isn't so given.

And your ridiculous sized sample is typical?

Too bad you weren't better bred, you'd have more brains and don't claim that you do -
where is the data for that?

-mhd
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(null) wrote:

> A tween! A tween! Oh, I've been in tween withdrawal for so long.
>
> And such a worthy subject too. Good job!

Thank you kindly, ma'am! It seems like the most fitting response to
wackaloon bozocity is more wackaloon bozocity, no?

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Shelly wrote:

>
> Thank you kindly, ma'am! It seems like the most fitting response to
> wackaloon bozocity is more wackaloon bozocity, no?

It was most excellent and appropriate!

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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Cheryl wrote:

>
> This honestly is the real deal. So many just don't understand it.
> just won't understand it.

Maybe because it's based on poor data and rhetoric? Responsible
breeders are neither filling the shelters nor costing shelter animals a
home. When will the zealots get THAT?

I've been doing shelter and rescue work since 1992 and have owned more
shelter/rescue/second hand pets than purebred purchased pets, so please
- I am very far from "understanding". I actually think and understand
instead of following AR propaganda.

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