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Phil P.

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(Msg. 76) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:09 am
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"cshenk" wrote in message

> "Phil P." wrote
> > "cshenk" wrote in message
>
> >> > You need to take your head out of your ass and take a walk through a
> > kill
> >> > shelter on kill day- then see if you still think there's nothing
wrong
> >> > with
> >> > breeding more animals.
> >>
> >> Phil, this has been a nice group. I'm asking you to not try to change
> > that.
>
> > You haven't been here very long. If you support breeding, you won't
find
> > it
> > so nice.
>
> In other words, you intend to flame innocent bystanders with any advice
you
> do not agree with.

I'm not the only one who opposes breeding. But to answer your question, if
you intent to support breeding, yes- count on it. I haven't even warmed up
yet.


>
> I would hate to see this newsgroup devolve to that. I came here because
> specifically it seemed not that way.
>
> So, 'you've been here a long time' and all the rest of us should shut up?

Not at all. Just be prepared to get scorched as long you support breeding
here.


>
> >> Some folks want pedigree animals. To assume they will just take
anything
> >> from the local pet pound is a mistake.
>
> > "Anything"? Poor choice of words for shelter animals.

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Phil P.

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(Msg. 77) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:24 am
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"cshenk" wrote in message


It may however shy me off to use a
> breeder farm next time if folks like you run shelters.

The devil made you do it! lol

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(Msg. 78) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:24 am
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"Phil P." wrote
>
> It may however shy me off to use a
>> breeder farm next time if folks like you run shelters.
>
> The devil made you do it! lol

You took that out of context. I said in essense you shy me off shelters
with your attitude. I will use breeder cast offs only if you are a sample
of shelter attitudes.
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Phil P.

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(Msg. 79) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:50 am
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"cshenk" wrote in message

> "Phil P." wrote
> >
> > It may however shy me off to use a
> >> breeder farm next time if folks like you run shelters.
> >
> > The devil made you do it! lol
>
> You took that out of context. I said in essense you shy me off shelters
> with your attitude. I will use breeder cast offs only if you are a sample
> of shelter attitudes.

Bu bu but didn't you already say you get your animals from shelters??? Your
sleazy guilt trip didn't even get off the ground. lol
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:50 am
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"Phil P." wrote

> Bu bu but didn't you already say you get your animals from shelters???
> Your
> sleazy guilt trip didn't even get off the ground. lol

Is there some reason why you seem to get off on insulting others? I have
not insulted you even once but you've deliberately done so to me several
times in just one evening.

This time you called me sleazy for adopting rescue pets?

I'm asking you again to let this newsgroup be as a nice place that it has
been for the 4 months or so I have been here. We dont need insults. It's
irrelevant if you have been here longer. It's only relevant how you act.
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Janet Boss

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(Msg. 81) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:35 am
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In article ,
Cheryl wrote:

>
> Janet, you don't get the math. Or you know the wrong sort of people
> to have pets.

I get the math very well. Responsible owners and responsible breeders
are not the ones filling shelters . Animal welfare should be about
education and keeping pets in homes and not IRRESPONSIBLY breeding them.
The more we just keep taking and thinking that everyone should not breed
and adopt "until there are none", the longer it will take for there to
be "none".

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(Msg. 82) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:44 am
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In article , "Phil P."
wrote:

>
> Yeah- I'm a fanatic- I'm fanatical about preventing as many deaths as I can.
>

But your "logic" is illogical. If someone wants a well bred and well
socialized animal of a specific breed, they are NOT necessarily (in
fact, rarely) going to go to a shelter and adopt cat or dog "x".
>
> You need to take your head out of your ass and take a walk through a kill
> shelter on kill day- then see if you still think there's nothing wrong with
> breeding more animals.

I've been spending many years in "kill" shelters TYVM. What do I see?
The castoff of the IRRESPONSIBLE. Education, education, education,
low-cost S/N, TNR, training, counseling. These are things that stop
filling shelters, not banning RESPONSIBLE breeding.

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(Msg. 83) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:47 am
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In article ,
Robotech_Master wrote:

> But whether these people get
> their purebreds or not doesn't affect whether shelter pets would get
> rescued if they wouldn't want to rescue a shelter pet anyway.

Amazing that SOMEONE gets it!

I *do* want shelter or rescue animals. Sometimes. I want a well bred
puppy sometimes too. I have both. And I've done a helluva lot of work
for shelter and rescue animals as well. One does not need to adopt them
all to help them. There are a lot of collectors out there with savior
complexes though.

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(Msg. 84) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:42 am
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"cshenk" wrote in message


> special circumstance from a reputable breeder who didnt believe in killing
> the occasional 'mistakes' (and they ALL have them)

OK, after writing the above, you can still be a proponent of breeding??!
It's OK for breeders to produce all these "defected cats" who are only
expected to live 5 years???! Your own words condemn you and argue against
you, you're just too dense to see it!
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:51 am
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message


> nor are their animals winding up in shelters. Your argument that those
> homes would/should adopt a shelter animal instead is without legs.

It just floors me when pro-breeder fruitcakes use the argument "if they
couldn't get a pedigree they wouldn't adopt a shelter cat". You know what?
HOORAYYYYYYYY! If a person is too much of a snob to adopt a cat just for
the sake of loving cats then that person *SHOULDN'T* have a cat, they should
buy a Mercedes to show the world how big their dick is.
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:08 am
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"cshenk" wrote >
> What do you know about her other than your assumptions?

We have read Janet for years.
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(Msg. 87) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:10 am
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"Phil P." wrote in message

>
> "cshenk" wrote in message
>
>> "Phil P." wrote
>> > "cshenk" wrote in message
>>
>> > Yeah- I'm a fanatic- I'm fanatical about preventing as many deaths as I
>> > can.
>>
>> > You need to take your head out of your ass and take a walk through a
> kill
>> > shelter on kill day- then see if you still think there's nothing wrong
>> > with
>> > breeding more animals.
>>
>> Phil, this has been a nice group. I'm asking you to not try to change
> that.
>
>
> You haven't been here very long. If you support breeding, you won't find
> it
> so nice.
>
>
>>
>> Some folks want pedigree animals. To assume they will just take anything
>> from the local pet pound is a mistake.
>
>
> "Anything"? Poor choice of words for shelter animals.
>
> There are millions of animals already here to choose from.
>
>

Anyone who could ever even just stand in a room at a single shelter
and see all the beautiful cats that need homes--just one shelter, with
a tiny fraction of the animals who suffer and die due to overpopulation--
and support breeders or breeding under any circumstances is not
someone I want to know.
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:11 am
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In article ,
"cybercat" wrote:

> animals who suffer and die due to overpopulation--


You misspelled irresponsible owners.

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(Msg. 89) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:36 am
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"cshenk" wrote in message

> "Phil P." wrote
>
> > Bu bu but didn't you already say you get your animals from shelters???
> > Your
> > sleazy guilt trip didn't even get off the ground. lol
>
> Is there some reason why you seem to get off on insulting others?


Stop whining. You brought this on yourself by insulting me in your first
post to this thread.


I have
> not insulted you even once

Yes, you have.


but you've deliberately done so to me several
> times in just one evening.


Its still early.


>
> This time you called me sleazy for adopting rescue pets?


That's not what I said. I said your guilt trip was sleazy.

Let me refresh your memory:

"It may however shy me off to use a breeder farm next time if folks like you
run shelters." and " I said in essense you shy me off shelters
with your attitude. I will use breeder cast offs only if you are a sample
of shelter attitudes."


Sounds like a sleazy threat or guilt trip to me. So you won't adopt a
shelter cat because you don't like my attitude towards people who support
breeding? I have a better idea: If you don't like my attitude, don't come
to my shelter. How's that?


>
> I'm asking you again to let this newsgroup be as a nice place

Maybe you should have thought about that before you hit the send button on
your first post.
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(Msg. 90) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:12 pm
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"Janet Boss"


God this is an ignorant want a be breed b@tch

IN the flush file she goes. People move on she is a waste of breath
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